PODCAST TRANSCRIPT | Episode 114: BIRTHING BABIES, Pt 1
FROM OUR HOME TO YOURS w/ Nancy Campbell
EPISODE 114- BIRTHING BABIES, PART 1
Rocky Barrett: Welcome to the podcast, From our Home to Yours, with Nancy Campbell, founder and publisher of Above Rubies.
Nancy Campbell: Hello ladies. It is always so wonderful to be with you again.
Today I have my lovely granddaughter with me, Meadow. I know many of you have gotten to know Meadow. She is the daughter of Pearl of Trim Healthy Mama. In fact, Pearl is looking after little Warren while we are doing this podcast. We have little Raymond right here just cuddled into Meadow while we’re going to talk.
I’m looking forward to this session. This is number 114 Podcast and the last time Meadow did a podcast together was number 11 when we did “Facing Modesty Head on.” Then we did number 12: “Modesty and Femininity in the 21st Century.” If you haven’t gotten to hear those, you will love to hear them.
As I was saying to Meadow, “Oh Meadow, it’s time we did a podcast together again.”
Of course Meadow has been away for quite a long time living in Japan with her husband who is an engineer. But when this COVID thing all happened, they had to come back because Japan was shutting down. So she thought she was going to have her second baby in Japan, but it worked out she was able to have him here. That was lovely because you got to have family all around, didn’t you?
Meadow Hall: Yes, the support has been so nice.
NC: Yes. And so, I said to Meadow, “What would you like to talk about?” Of course because she’s just given birth again, she said, “I’d love to talk about birth, Nana.”
I think this is going to be an amazing session that all of us have been through, or are going through, or will go through.
But before we do, I just want to just finish reading you the last of the “ness” words.
Remember for the last four sessions I read to you over eighty words that all end with “ness” that belong to motherhood. They are all beautiful words. I would love to talk to you about some of them as the days go on.
The rest of them are right down at the end. We got up to uniqueness, uprightness, usefulness, virtuousness, wifeliness, willingness, womanliness, wombness (I think we’ll get to talk a bit about that as we talk about birth), queenliness and zestfulness.
We always have to come up with a “Z” at the end, don’t we? Zestfulness is the quality of being full of energy and enthusiasm. I think we need that in our motherhood role, too, don’t we?
Of course we had queenliness for “Q.” Actually, that makes me think of Meadow, who’s sitting right beside me. I always think of my Meadow as a queen because she always dresses so femininely, and yet so full of dignity and beauty. She’s just a picture of such a queenly young mother.
MH: Thank you, Nana.
NC: You are Meadow! In fact, Meadow has always had just something special about her. I remember when she was just a young girl and until she married, she lived right here on the hilltop with us. Their home was just a couple of minutes from ours.
Back in the days when Meadow didn’t have an iPhone she had to come over and check things on my computer. I would see her walking over. She would always come over dressed so beautifully and here we are out on the hilltop and nobody is seeing us.
I have to confess, you know, I don’t always put on my beautiful clothes for around the home. I look like a bit of an around-the-home person until I go out.
But Meadow always dressed as though she was going out, even though she was just on the hilltop with no one to see her except her rough and tumble brothers.
Then I would see her walking down the path to her home out the window of my office. She would walk with her head up, just like a queen. She wasn’t trying to because there was nobody to impress but it was just how she does it. You’ve always had that anointing of queenliness, Meadow.
NC: Thank you, Nana. People say I get that from you.
NC: I think maybe you just got a little more of it.
MH: I don’t know about that!
NC: Maybe it will get better as it goes down the generations. At the moment Meadow just has two little boys. But I am sure that down the years the Lord will bless her with some daughters, too.
Anyway, Meadow, tell us about little Raymond. He’s your latest.
MH: Yes, he is three months now.
NC: Wow, the time goes.
MH: Yes, I flew over here when I was 37 weeks pregnant and so I just gave birth to him shortly after I got back to the States.
NC: You were just in time!
MH: Yes! I had to find a new midwife and a new birthing center. We had to work that out very quickly when we came back. He’s such a healthy big boy. I need to dress him in size 6-9 months clothes now and he just turned three months. He’s very long.
NC: Oh lovely. Anyway, how did this birth go here?
MH: It was a beautiful birth. It was much faster than my first. My first was about 27 hours. Both of these births were natural, and they were both very beautiful, but the second was easier.
NC: I always think that the first baby paves the way for the coming babies. That was my experience anyway.
MH: Yes that was mine, too.
NC: Of course you’re learning, too. You don’t know quite how this baby is coming out. Then as you experience that and as your body sort of opens up and paves the way for future babies it becomes easier.
I think also you learn a little bit more with each birth. I really believe that birth is an art. It’s something that you learn. I think that all the beautiful things of homemaking and mothering are very much an art. You don’t always know what you’re doing when you first start out.
Even nursing your baby is an art, like the book, The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding by La Leche League, which is a wonderful book.
There it speaks of it as an art. I found it was an art, too, I didn’t know what I was doing when I first started but then you learn the art and then you become a pro.
It is the same with birthing. You kind of learn as you go. So lovely, precious young mothers, maybe you had a long birth or a difficult birth with your first one. Don’t despair, because it can be so much better next time.
MH: Yes that is so true, Nana. I believe that birthing is an art. I also believe that even if your first birth is really long and really hard it can still be a beautiful experience. That’s what it was for me.
NC: Yes, yes, I think that’s the wonderful thing about birth. Sometimes you can have a short very, very hard birth and then you can have a long more kind of prolonged but not so intensive birth. It’s amazing how every birth is different. All my births were different.
I often say to young mothers, “Don’t expect it to be the same next time.” Maybe you’ve been through something even quite traumatic in your birth. Well that doesn’t mean it’s going to be the same next time. Every birth, the labor and the actual birthing are often different each time according to the position of the baby and all kinds of different things.
MH: Yes, for sure. My mom, when she had me ,that was a traumatic experience for her. I was her first and I think it was because she wasn’t really prepared, and she didn’t know what to expect. She did not really spiritually prepare for it the way I did. When she started having that pain, she fought it.
She didn’t learn how to handle that and so it was a very traumatic experience for her when it didn’t have to be.
NC: No, I think it was in her mind. I was there, right at that birth. Yes, I don’t think she expected it to be so intensive as it was.
MH: I know. So I had that at the back of my mind that my mom had a very difficult first birth. But then when I got pregnant and I started learning about how childbirth is supposed to be and how God wants us to experience it and how it can actually be a blessing, I realized that just because my mom had a really bad experience the first time doesn’t mean I have to.
So I decided, I’m not going to accept that for myself. My birth experience can be beautiful. I held on to that hope and it was, and you know what? I think my first birth could have been traumatic. It could have gone badly, the same way my mom’s had, if I had a different mindset.
NC: Exactly, that is true. I think the biggest thing is your mindset and preparing yourself. Reading as much as you can about natural childbirth and filling your mind with that understanding and preparing your heart and preparing your mind.
I actually have a testimony in that. I prepared myself as much as I thought I could for my first, but I wasn’t really so prepared. The next time I prepared more, and I found the more I prepared just mentally and in every way. I remember when I came to my fourth birth and I thought, “Oh well, fourth birth, I know now, everything will be great.” I really didn’t read again. I thought, “I know it all, this will be great.”
That was actually my hardest birth and I realized after that birth I hadn’t prepared myself. As I had continuous births, I always would take time and prepare myself like I was a first mother and prepare my heart and prepare my mind.
I would prepare for it because if your mindset is right it has such a huge bearing on the kind of birth you’re going to have.
MH: I agree. It’s like if you’re going to run a marathon, you need to train for that, you need to prepare.
With childbirth you need to prepare physically, mentally, and spiritually. I think preparing spiritually was the most important factor for me.
I think we’re going to talk about some practical tips for childbirth because like my Nana said, it’s an art, but along with that we’re going to talk about how childbirth can be such an intimate experience with God and it can draw us closer to Him.
NC: Now tell the ladies, Meadow, how did you prepare?
MH: So when I got pregnant with Warren, I did have a lot more time back then to read. I read a lot of blog posts and books. That’s one benefit when you have your first: you don’t have a toddler to chase and you have more time to prepare.
But some of that knowledge I was able to carry over with me into my second, but I still spent some time learning with him. I read one book that made such a huge impact on me. I think that if I had not read that, my birthing experience could have been different because it brought so much revelation to me about how we as Christians are supposed to view childbirth.
The book is called Redeeming Childbirth by Angie Toplin and she is a Christian. The book talks about how we should be inviting God into our birthing experience and how we can embrace natural childbirth and it doesn’t have to be a traumatic experience.
Even if it’s hard, even if it’s painful, God walks us through that.
NC: Can you say the name of the book again in case they didn’t get?
MH: Redeeming Childbirth by Angie Toplin.
NC: I can remember from your first birth with Warren you had this list. Because you were going into the hospital . . . the moment you go into those hospital doors you have to watch your guard that they don’t take over your birthing experience because it’s your birth and your baby.
I remember you had a big list that Kendall had to have to watch and make sure that this didn’t happen and that did happen.
That was a very good thing, wasn’t it, because when you’re in birth, oh goodness me, you’re going to forget so much and you’re not in a place to take authority and say, “No I don’t want that” or “I can’t have that.”
So you made sure Kendall was the guardian, didn’t you? Tell us about that and some of the things you felt were so important that you wanted him to protect you and guard you.
MH: Yes, with Warren, my first birth, I gave birth in a hospital. We gave birth in a small town at the time and there weren’t many options. There weren’t natural birthing centers, so I found this hospital.
I had heard that some hospitals have very strict policies and you have to make it clear to them what your birthing plan is otherwise they might just take over and sometimes you have to be firm.
So I took a long time preparing my birthing list and I wrote it all down and printed it out. We took it to the hospital, and we showed it to the nurses. I was very blessed to be at a hospital where they really respected my wishes. Some hospitals can give you a tougher time on that. I think more hospitals, at least in Western culture, are starting to respect the parent’s wishes more.
When I was in Japan I had very limited rights. That’s when I was thinking in this case, I would have preferred a home birth, but it would have been hard to do that in a foreign country and a high-rise apartment.
I was very blessed with a Christian doctor, too, who was very respectable of my wishes. In that case, I didn’t have a very hard time at my particular hospital.
I would suggest that if you are planning on giving birth in a hospital to do your research on that hospital’s policies and to do your research on your doctor’s policies. Ask them how they handle childbirth and if they’ve done a lot of natural childbirth. Just make sure that they will go along with your birth plan.
One thing I told my nurse the first time was not to offer me an epidural, not to even bring it up, because sometimes that can be a temptation if you’re offered it.
NC: Yes. That’s good to lay those things down before you even get there. That’s so great. It is true, you can be tempted, so yes that was a good thing.
What other ways did you prepare?
MH: Well I would say, physically preparing is important, too. I wasn’t as fit with my first pregnancy because I wasn’t chasing a toddler around.
I believe I was more fit in Japan with my second pregnancy because I was walking all the time. That’s one thing American’s don’t do as much, is walk, because we just drive everywhere.
When I was in Japan we would walk to the supermarkets. I believe that is why I was more fit and that may have played a factor in making it an easier and smoother birth.
Being physically fit is important. If you don’t have a good neighborhood that you can walk around you can just work out at home.
That’s one thing that I think is a good practical tip. It’s good to study about practical tips you can learn during natural childbirth. Like I learned my second time around that there were some things I wanted to do differently than in my first birth. One example was the position of pushing.
During my first birth I was on my back.
NC: Oh I know that’s hopeless.
MH: I was slightly elevated but still I was working against gravity.
NC: I know, I don’t understand why they expect mothers to work against themselves.
MH: The thing is, and this is one downside about most hospital rooms, they are not designed for natural birth. When I was in the birthing center, it was designed for natural birth.
But in normal hospital rooms you just have very small beds where they t usually give you an epidural. It’s not good for a lot of other positions.
When a mother is laying on her back, that’s more convenient for the doctor. It’s actually one of the worst positions for mothers to give birth in.
NC: Yes, it causes it to be longer and harder.
MH: Yes and that was the case for me.
NC: It’s often the cause of C-sections.
NC: With my first birth I pushed nearly two hours. I think part of the reason was my position. Another part was Warren’s fist was up here with his head. I think even if I was in a different position it still would have taken longer.
If I had been on my knees like with Raymond it would have gone faster.
NC: I think that the position is just so important. All these things are just so important.
How did you prepare emotionally and spiritually for your births?
MH: I think it’s good to really pray and invite God into your birthing experience.
It’s good to ask Him what you want but to also not make your birth plan so important that if something goes wrong you freak out or you can’t let it go because ultimately God’s plan is the best.
I don’t believe that means He brings on the problems and the issues that could happen because we live in a fallen world and sometimes problems happen and things go wrong but He can get us through that and it still can be an incredible experience.
My whole approach was that I would like to have a natural birth and I would like God to be there and these are my hopes of what would happen.
But if some things don’t happen the way I want them to, I know that God will still be there for me and God will still help me go through that and just releasing that to Him.
Some other things I did to prepare, I wrote down some birth affirmations because words have power. I spoke those over my baby and myself when I was pregnant, and I also wrote them down and gave them to my husband so he could speak them over me during the birth.
Another thing I did was I wrote down some Bible verses to encourage me and I had Kendall read those to me too.
I built a childbirth playlist. I found a lot of songs that I felt were really relaxing and encouraging and brought me closer to God. I created a playlist and had that playing throughout the whole birth.
NC: So you really prepared and were ready to go.
MH: Yes. I wanted to create an atmosphere of worship.
NC: That’s so great. Did you bring any of your affirmations? Have you got them with you?
MH: No I didn’t bring them. I would have to print them out and I don’t have a printer.
NC: When we do each podcast, it’s transcribed. We may be able to put some at the bottom of this when it’s transcribed.
MH: Oh yes, that would be a good idea.
NC: I love to give mothers something practical. If you’ve found them such a blessing maybe they would be a blessing to them too. So I think we will try and do that.
MH: Okay!
NC: That would be so good. I think to me, one of the biggest things that can really hinder a birth from flourishing is fear. Especially with your first baby because you don’t have a clue what’s going to happen next and you can have this fear.
If you have fear, that can cause you to tighten up and not just go with your contractions and ride with them.
How did you conquer fear? Did you have any fears?
MH: I’m so glad you brought that up, Nana, because the number one thing I like to say to my friends who have never gone through childbirth and may have concerns is, “Just don’t give into fear.”
I believe fear is probably the worst thing during childbirth because it can create tension, which can slow you down, which can cause more complications, which can just ruin an otherwise beautiful experience.
And so I decided I was not going to allow any fear. It doesn’t mean that the enemy won’t try to tempt us with fear.
It means that if it ever tries to pop in our heads, we take every thought captive and we’re like, “No, I am not accepting that.”
I believe that there comes a point with every woman during their birth that they start to think, “I can’t do this.” If you get that thought, you cast it out and you say, “No I can do this. I was designed to do this.”
NC: Absolutely, our bodies were designed and created for birth.
In fact many scientific studies prove that the more births a mother has the greater blessing it is for her body and the greater deterrent against female cancers. The more babies a mother nurses at her breast, the less incidents of breast cancer.
We were created for birthing and nursing babies. This is who we are. This is our body. It was created for this. We just have to have our minds renewed and educated into what is right.
Many mothers out there today have been brought up in families with one or two children. They have never seen babies around them, and they haven’t been around mothers birthing babies and nursing babies. They haven’t got one clue and they don’t know anything about it.
Unless they really can get around mothers who can really encourage them or read some good natural childbirth books, fear is going to enter in.
Knowledge really helps to counteract fear, doesn’t it? It really does.
MH: Yes.
NC: Actually, getting on to fear, these were my Scriptures for this morning. I’ve been reading through Deuteronomy and I read this morning Deuteronomy 3:22. God is speaking to them about going into the Promised Land and how they are going to come up against enemies that are bigger than them. They’re going to face cities with walls that are so high and gates and bars that are bolted. They’ve got giants in the land and in the cities.
I mean, wow, it was totally beyond them, but He said to them: “Ye shall not fear them: for the Lord your God he shall fight for you.
He told them not to fear. In fact, it wasn’t just a suggestion, “Well, you know, it would be a good idea not to fear them.”
No, He said, “YOU SHALL NOT FEAR THEM.”
There are so many Scriptures in the Word where it says, “You shall not fear.”
Yet all of us, I know I can be prone to facing a situation and feel fearful. Although I have found the more I get to know God, and the more I know of His Word, the more I can trust Him.
You see, the antidote to fear is trusting implicitly in God’s Word and His promises knowing that what He says is true, and I will stand upon it because it cannot fail.
I think we have got to come to this in many areas of our lives. We are facing different situations all the time where fear can come in and we have to learn this. But we can also face this in the area of childbirth.
We go on to chapter 7:17-21 and God says again: “If thou shalt say in thine heart . . ..”
That is interesting. Did you know we talk in our hearts? Yes. The Word says, “If thou shalt say in thine heart” and I looked it up and it actually means: “To talk, to declare.”
We do talk to ourselves in our hearts and sometimes we don’t say it out through our mouths, but we talk a lot in our hearts. Sometimes we talk a lot of fear in our hearts, you know, and God doesn’t want us to do that.
“If thou shalt say in thine heart, these nations are more than I; how can I dispossess them?”
You were just saying that Meadow. I think nearly every mother comes to a point in her labor where she says, “I can’t do this! I didn’t think it would be this intense” and you have that little thought.
It comes in, but as you said, you have to cast it out. You have to know, “Oh but my body was created for this. Of course I can do it and God is with me.” Amen?
MH: Yes.
NC: He goes on: “Thou shalt not be afraid of them: but shalt well remember what the Lord thy God did unto Pharaoh, and unto all Egypt . . . Thou shalt not be affrighted [or dread or in terror. That’s quite a strong, fearful word] at them: for the Lord thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible [or fearful].”
In other words, it goes back to, do we fear God, and do we trust in His Word and who He created us to be, or do we trust in our fear? Because fear is not from God, it comes from the enemy.
Pop that little one in your hearts, dear ladies. Be ready and practiced to overcome fear. There are so many Scriptures in the Word of God about fear and overcoming fear. Go through those Scriptures.
If you are preparing for a birth, write those Scriptures down.
Be saying them over yourself, and your baby as Meadow did while she was pregnant, and then have the list so your husband can speak them over you if you are not in a state to speak them, he can speak them over you because the Word has power.
Matthew 4:4: “ . . . Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
We can even go through labor with the Word of God coming out of our mouths. It will take us through because it is so powerful, isn’t it?
MH: Yes, it is so true. And maybe we should bring up why so many women have a fear of childbirth.
NC: Yes, yes.
MH: I think it is because our culture literally thinks that you’re just ridiculous if you have an un-medicated birth. There is so much fear of the pain in childbirth.
That’s why we have so many epidurals and I have heard so many people say, “I just can’t imagine not having an epidural” when that’s actually what we were designed to do.
When I was in Japan, they rarely did epidurals. It was just considered so normal to have a natural childbirth.
NC: I was once speaking to a chiropractor. He said to me, “Most of my patients are women who have had epidurals at childbirth because it has affected their backs.”
You know, I always believe, of course, there are always certain situations where we maybe have to have these things where we maybe we have to have something, but on the whole, birth is meant to be natural because God designed it.
That’s what we’ve just so got to get into our brains. If we know, “Wow, I was born for this! I was created for this. My body was created to do it.” When we have that, we get the right mindset, and we’re going into it with a whole different attitude than, “Okay, we’re just giving up our body to the doctors and the nurses. Just do what you’d like, and this is all how it happens.” It gets hard and then you end up with an epidural or even a C-section.
That’s so sad because, dear ladies, I know sometimes that happens and I know some precious mothers who are just so set to have a natural birth and then they have to have a C-section. Those are rarer cases. But we miss out when we don’t experience birth. There is such a power in experiencing birth, even if you have been through intense pain.
There is something so powerful, which I’m sure those of you who have experienced a natural childbirth will say. There is such a power in it and there is empowerment.
In fact, after a natural childbirth, how do you feel?
MH: Oh I had endorphins. I couldn’t even take a nap that day.
NC: Oh no, you cannot.
MH: No.
NC: You feel you can conquer the world.
MH: Absolutely.
NC: I mean, I have just done something, and I can conquer the world!
Talk about oxytocin and endorphins. It’s the biggest high that you can experience in your life and I would go through it again and again to experience that high, it’s so incredible.
MH: You don’t get the same experience if you had an epidural.
NC: No you do not, you don’t have it. It’s something you don’t want to miss out on.
MH: It feels like you just climbed Mount Everest.
NC: Do you know what? Did you know that’s what Evangeline, Aunty Vange, said at one of her births? It was one of her births that I was there. It was one of hers that was a breech birth. She knew was having a breech birth and she decided that they would not be going to the hospital.
They didn’t even have a midwife. Howard, her husband, was the midwife. Now, not every husband could be a midwife at a birth, or specially a breech birth.
But Howard, on the hilltop, we call him our family doctor. When something goes wrong, we call him, “Howard, come quick!”
I mean, he stitches up and he does that. He usually checks out if either we can fix this or says, “Nope, you better go to the hospital.”
He is incredible and he really prepared for this birth, knowing this was breech. He talked for hours with a very experienced midwife. She could not be there although she had helped many of their births. It was unlawful for her to be at a breech birth.
He had also worked out if things could go wrong. But hey, we’re getting beyond time so I’m going to tell you the story next time! Wait for it!
You listen next session and I’ll tell you what happened next time, okay?
Let’s just pray and we’ll come back with Meadow, if that’s okay, Meadow? We will do one more session about birth.
“Lord, We just thank You that we can talk about these things, these beautiful womanly things, Lord. It is something that is just so part of life because this is life, this is how we bring life into the world. Lord, we pray that You will teach us and show us Your ways.
“I pray for all the childbearing mothers who are listening, Lord, that You will bless them and You will teach them and You will help them to understand more as they go into birth. We just ask this in the precious name of Jesus. Amen.”
Transcribed by Morgan Roth
MEADOW’S LISTS:
DECLARATIONS FOR BIRTH:
The Lord is my Deliverer and my baby’s Deliverer.
In my weakness, He gives me strength.
My body was designed to do give birth naturally.
The Lord will help me.
The Lord has good plans for me and my baby.
Because I worship Jesus, He takes sickness away. No harm will come to me or my baby because God guards me with His angels and my safety comes from the Lord.
In the name of Jesus, I trust God to give me a safe delivery. The Lord safely brings my baby out of the womb and I am kept safe also.
In the name of Jesus Christ, I refuse to give in to worry and fear. God has not given me a spirit of fear. The Lord is with me and helping me from the beginning to the end. I will not be afraid; I will only believe God's Word.
BIBLE VERSES FOR LABOR AND DELIVERY:
“Look, the Lord’s hand is not too weak to deliver you; his ear is not too deaf to hear you” (Isaiah 59:1).”
“Draw near to God and he will draw near to you” (James 4:8a).
“You delivered me SAFELY from my mother’s womb” (Psalm 22:9 NLT).
“I HAVE LEANED ON YOU SINCE BIRTH; YOU PULLED ME FROM MY MOTHER’S WOMB. I PRAISE YOU CONTINUALLY” (Psalm 71:6).
“AND THIS IS THE CONFIDENCE THAT WE HAVE BEFORE HIM: THAT WHENEVER WE ASK ANYTHING ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, HE HEARS US. AND IF WE KNOW THAT HE HEARS US IN REGARD TO WHATEVER WE ASK, THEN WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE REQUESTS THAT WE HAVE ASKED FROM HIM” (1 John 5:14-13).
“The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold” Psalm 18:2
“The Lord will give strength to His people; the Lord will bless His people with peace” (Psalm 29:11).
“For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).
“Be strong and of good courage; do not be afraid, nor be dismayed, for the Lord your GOD IS WITH YOU wherever you go” (Joshua 1:9).
“I can do all things through Him who gives me strength” (Philippians 4:13).
“FEAR NOT, FOR I AM WITH YOU, be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand” (Isaiah 41:10).
“For I, the Lord your God, will hold your right hand, saying to you, ‘Fear not, I will help you” (Isaiah 41:13).
“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28).
“If you make the Most High your dwelling -- even the Lord, who is my refuge -- then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways” (Psalm 91:9 NIV):